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August 09, 2016

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WiseGuy

In the 2012 Presidential election, there were 59 voting divisions in Philadelphia that reported zero votes for Mitt Romney. Black Panthers were widely reported to be intimidating voters in these divisions. They were recorded on video.
In Ohio there is a voting district that voted 108% for Obama. These incidents are subversive.
An experienced politician would not bring these things up, but Trump is popular because he is not an experienced politician.

Cincinnatus

I am aware of these discrepancies and am concerned about them. If Trump had confined his comments to concerns about past voter discrepancies in districts dominated by Dems, I would be wholeheartedly endorsing those comments.

But to imply that the entire election is hopeless because it is 'rigged', this goes way beyond any evidence. It is incendiary, irresponsible and needlessly poisons the body politic.

What Donald Trump is doing right now is auditioning to be a statesman. These comments (among many others) prove that he is flunking out,

WiseGuy

Traditionally these things were called "gaffs". Trump is judged to a standard Hillary is not. Hillary calously said "At this point, what difference does it make?"in reference to Americans, killed because of her actions,...which she lied about,...and continues to lie about. How can this be less of an issue than a series of gaffs by a neophyte politician?

Gerry Ewert

But statesmen have been what has created the mess so perhaps it is time for a non-statesman. I will admit a lot of ambivalence about Trump but he is right given the insistence by Dems against voter ID. I don't think he said it was hopeless but it was a warning that there needs to be better vigilance given that O'Keefe was able to vote as the rapper Einmen (spelling?) particularly in close districts

monkey

"In the 2012 Presidential election, there were 59 voting divisions in Philadelphia that reported zero votes for Mitt Romney. Black Panthers were widely reported to be intimidating voters in these divisions. They were recorded on video.
In Ohio there is a voting district that voted 108% for Obama. These incidents are subversive.
An experienced politician would not bring these things up, but Trump is popular because he is not an experienced politician."

While there may have been some who voted who shouldn't have it's mathematically impossible it would have flipped those states. Almost all those precincts were over 90% African-American and inner city so the GOP likely would have gotten in the low single digits. Although Romney got 6% of the African-American vote, I suspect he probably got over 10% amongst those living the suburbs or the middle and upper class African-American community. People's politics are heavily influenced by those around them so if everyone where you live votes one way, most will follow. I should note Romney did have some 100% precincts although all in rural areas with a lot fewer votes. In Utah is where you had the majority of them but a few in Mississippi as well. Otherwise voter fraud and intimidation is illegal, but only if you can prove it would have altered the results can you have them overturned and in both Pennsylvania and Ohio Obama's margin of victory while small as a percentage, was several 100,000 votes well above the number of votes in those precincts. In recent elections, Missouri 2008, Florida and Wisconsin 2000 are the only ones I can think of that were close enough where this might have mattered.

Ward

No he is not auditioning to be a statesman. That is the last thing America and the world needs. Another phoney

Trump did not come off a particularly bad week he came off a week where the media decided to amplify his comments while ignoring those of his opponent.

Remarkable that you seem to think this election is about statesmanship rather than the Dems fielding a candidate who should have been charged with espionage and treason among other things.

When you cannot recognize that the Dems, FBI, justice dept, and msm along with the federal bureaucracy are all on one side and are transparently corrupt, I am left to wonder if you are simply a liberal.

This honestly belongs on a dem chat forum

Cincinnatus

Dear Ward:

Just because America currently has the worst ruling class ever (as Instapundit's famously put it), it doesn't mean it can't get worse.

And just because its current leaders are incompetent, it doesn't mean the rules of statecraft cease to apply. Ignoring the timeless rules of strategy will only ensure that that a bad situation will get much worse.

old white guy

the system is corrupt to the core.

WiseGuy

The current leaders are not "incompetent" they are criminal, with malicious intent.

Cincinnatus

example #1 of a criminal leader with malicious intent: a mobbed-up NY real estate developer openly in cahoots with America's declared enemies.

Autoguy

Gotta disagree. Example #1 is the D candidate who rigged the system to get the nomination, who manages to get the media to run their stories through her campaign, who lies constantly, even lying about what Comey said about her emails, who should be in jail, who has been using her office as SecState to shake down foreign 'donors' for money for the Clinton Foundation.

THAT is example NUMBER ONE. Far more dangerous than Trump.

Joe

While I am by no means a Trump fan I have to agree with him that the American elections are no longer worthy of respect. The number of districts where more people voted than live and the number of districts that ALL vote for one person indicates voter fraud on a large scale. We Canadians are not immune either. Landslide Annie had a few (prestuffed) ballot boxes show up unexpectedly to put her over the top. It would seem people were voting from their office and their home. Once the fraud became well known landslide annie lost the next election.

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